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		<title>Comment on Penny for your (Un)thoughts, if you&#8217;ve the time for a few of my own. by corrieLyn moormann carreno tesoriero</title>
		<link>http://sethop.com/2011/10/27/penny-for-your-unthought/#comment-301</link>
		<dc:creator>corrieLyn moormann carreno tesoriero</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Nov 2011 17:32:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I like to try my hardest to think in pre-apple (as in adam&amp;eve not i)parameters, no good or evil, just is or isn&#039;t. But,seriously folks, how can you trust those who label themselves uh...alternative in the sense of more hip, cool,or somehow &gt;,are trying too hard and just don&#039;t seem full of fun. Privacy issues? Gimme a break. I saw one woman on some shite blurb+bite station (the ex had it on)starting a deadly anti-FB campaign and was spewing venom because she had to remove the 500 images of herself individually. Truly not one image was  of a pet or even a different human. What goes up must come down.
But, alas I cannot help myself, the existence of Interclue, Lazarus and certainly not least, this wonderful blog makes me very enthusiastic. Very pleasant headshot, as well.  Oh, for crying out loud, how can it be 12:30 already. See you around. Thank you for your contributions!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I like to try my hardest to think in pre-apple (as in adam&amp;eve not i)parameters, no good or evil, just is or isn&#8217;t. But,seriously folks, how can you trust those who label themselves uh&#8230;alternative in the sense of more hip, cool,or somehow &gt;,are trying too hard and just don&#8217;t seem full of fun. Privacy issues? Gimme a break. I saw one woman on some shite blurb+bite station (the ex had it on)starting a deadly anti-FB campaign and was spewing venom because she had to remove the 500 images of herself individually. Truly not one image was  of a pet or even a different human. What goes up must come down.<br />
But, alas I cannot help myself, the existence of Interclue, Lazarus and certainly not least, this wonderful blog makes me very enthusiastic. Very pleasant headshot, as well.  Oh, for crying out loud, how can it be 12:30 already. See you around. Thank you for your contributions!</p>
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		<title>Comment on Unthink.com &#8211; should we trust it? by Seth Wagoner</title>
		<link>http://sethop.com/2011/08/20/unthink-com-should-we-trust-it/#comment-168</link>
		<dc:creator>Seth Wagoner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Aug 2011 14:51:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Whoops. Shows how long it&#039;s been, I hit &quot;publish&quot; when I meant to hit &quot;preview&quot;. Ah well, looks fine apart from a spurious &quot;a&quot; that I just removed, and a bunch of explanatory links that I might come back and put in later. Until then, use the #search Luke!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Whoops. Shows how long it&#8217;s been, I hit &#8220;publish&#8221; when I meant to hit &#8220;preview&#8221;. Ah well, looks fine apart from a spurious &#8220;a&#8221; that I just removed, and a bunch of explanatory links that I might come back and put in later. Until then, use the #search Luke!</p>
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		<title>Comment on Democracy. It&#8217;s Complicated. by Ian</title>
		<link>http://sethop.com/2010/06/21/democracy-its-complicated/#comment-122</link>
		<dc:creator>Ian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Aug 2010 11:00:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Reading the section on media fact checking reminded me of a Russian documentary http://filmsandmore.blogspot.com/2010/08/russian-lessons.html I saw at this year&#039;s Film Festival on 2008 Georgian War and how it was covered in the Russian and Western media.  Where they pointed out fact checking failures by both Western and Russian media.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Reading the section on media fact checking reminded me of a Russian documentary <a href="http://filmsandmore.blogspot.com/2010/08/russian-lessons.html" rel="nofollow">http://filmsandmore.blogspot.com/2010/08/russian-lessons.html</a> I saw at this year&#8217;s Film Festival on 2008 Georgian War and how it was covered in the Russian and Western media.  Where they pointed out fact checking failures by both Western and Russian media.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Democracy. It&#8217;s Complicated. by Mary Branscombe</title>
		<link>http://sethop.com/2010/06/21/democracy-its-complicated/#comment-121</link>
		<dc:creator>Mary Branscombe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Jun 2010 13:57:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>blog content is also *cheap* and easy to find... very attractive to a publisher. I&#039;m ambivalent about the &#039;publish the press release&#039; thing; it&#039;s a database of biased content that people can see doesn&#039;t pretend to be unbiased but I&#039;ve always thought journalism is about adding value to data rahter than simply repeating it...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>blog content is also *cheap* and easy to find&#8230; very attractive to a publisher. I&#8217;m ambivalent about the &#8216;publish the press release&#8217; thing; it&#8217;s a database of biased content that people can see doesn&#8217;t pretend to be unbiased but I&#8217;ve always thought journalism is about adding value to data rahter than simply repeating it&#8230;</p>
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		<title>Comment on Democracy. It&#8217;s Complicated. by sethop</title>
		<link>http://sethop.com/2010/06/21/democracy-its-complicated/#comment-120</link>
		<dc:creator>sethop</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Jun 2010 00:21:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Mike, I think I owe you a beer anyway ;-) I had a quick look and here are the election stats from 2007: http://www.localcouncils.govt.nz/lgip.nsf/wpg_URL/Councils-A-Z-Councils-Canterbury-Regional-Council-E1 - 41% turnout, actually more than I would have thought! I implied in the post that local/regional councils are mostly elected by landowners, by which I really meant the people with a long-term commitment to the area. I must confess that I am not really one of those, and I wouldn&#039;t claim to be an expert on the state of our local/regional democracy at all. My own interests have always tended towards the national and/or international level. At least, since I started thinking about politics at all, which was only about a decade ago. I do have a friend on the Chch city council, he&#039;s a rampant lefty and often getting up the nose of our vaguely right wing Mayor. I should have a chat with him about all this, I&#039;m sure he&#039;s much more up with the play on ECan. If I was *really* keen I could probably swing a chat with Sir Kerry about it, but I don&#039;t think I&#039;ll get that keen.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Mike, I think I owe you a beer anyway <img src='http://sethop.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' />  I had a quick look and here are the election stats from 2007: <a href="http://www.localcouncils.govt.nz/lgip.nsf/wpg_URL/Councils-A-Z-Councils-Canterbury-Regional-Council-E1" rel="nofollow">http://www.localcouncils.govt.nz/lgip.nsf/wpg_URL/Councils-A-Z-Councils-Canterbury-Regional-Council-E1</a> &#8211; 41% turnout, actually more than I would have thought! I implied in the post that local/regional councils are mostly elected by landowners, by which I really meant the people with a long-term commitment to the area. I must confess that I am not really one of those, and I wouldn&#8217;t claim to be an expert on the state of our local/regional democracy at all. My own interests have always tended towards the national and/or international level. At least, since I started thinking about politics at all, which was only about a decade ago. I do have a friend on the Chch city council, he&#8217;s a rampant lefty and often getting up the nose of our vaguely right wing Mayor. I should have a chat with him about all this, I&#8217;m sure he&#8217;s much more up with the play on ECan. If I was *really* keen I could probably swing a chat with Sir Kerry about it, but I don&#8217;t think I&#8217;ll get that keen.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Democracy. It&#8217;s Complicated. by sethop</title>
		<link>http://sethop.com/2010/06/21/democracy-its-complicated/#comment-119</link>
		<dc:creator>sethop</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Jun 2010 23:39:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good point Mary, it makes perfect sense that networks like the AP and Reuters are going to be the default content choice for the big daily newspapers, because they know it&#039;s a safe, reliable option. And I presume the pricing structure makes it very easy for editors to continue to depend on their network feed rather than seeking alternative sources.

I&#039;ve noticed that many large papers now publish &quot;blog&quot; content and label it as such, thus implying (again, to sophisticated news consumers) that it doesn&#039;t have a high standard of fact checking applied to it, and will probably tend to lie somewhere in between &#039;news&#039; and &#039;op-ed&#039; in the expected level of veracity. The WP actually republishes Techcrunch on their site, which is a fairly big endorsement of TC! I wonder if they filter the feed or just take it raw. Scoop.co.nz have pioneered (at least here, and I don&#039;t think it was common worldwide before they did it, and probably still isn&#039;t) the model of simply publishing unedited press releases from just about anyone who wants to supply them, with headlines from those feeds alongside their own editorial content and selected independent journalism in the center of the site, which apparently gets more overseas traffic than from NZ.  (nb: co-founder @althecat is another Kiwifoo, but we&#039;re not close friends or anything) 

As to Google, well, there are some smart cookies working there, I&#039;m sure some of them have thought fairly deeply about the whole &#039;Don&#039;t be evil&#039; mantra, while others are totally focused on the engineering side of things. It seems they don&#039;t consider disrupting the status quo, destroying existing business models, and as a result putting people out of work, to be evil. OTOH. I think they could make a reasonable argument that if they didn&#039;t do it, someone else would. Technology giveth, and technology taketh away.  Plenty more to say on the subject but I&#039;ll leave it for another blog post.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good point Mary, it makes perfect sense that networks like the AP and Reuters are going to be the default content choice for the big daily newspapers, because they know it&#8217;s a safe, reliable option. And I presume the pricing structure makes it very easy for editors to continue to depend on their network feed rather than seeking alternative sources.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve noticed that many large papers now publish &#8220;blog&#8221; content and label it as such, thus implying (again, to sophisticated news consumers) that it doesn&#8217;t have a high standard of fact checking applied to it, and will probably tend to lie somewhere in between &#8216;news&#8217; and &#8216;op-ed&#8217; in the expected level of veracity. The WP actually republishes Techcrunch on their site, which is a fairly big endorsement of TC! I wonder if they filter the feed or just take it raw. Scoop.co.nz have pioneered (at least here, and I don&#8217;t think it was common worldwide before they did it, and probably still isn&#8217;t) the model of simply publishing unedited press releases from just about anyone who wants to supply them, with headlines from those feeds alongside their own editorial content and selected independent journalism in the center of the site, which apparently gets more overseas traffic than from NZ.  (nb: co-founder @althecat is another Kiwifoo, but we&#8217;re not close friends or anything) </p>
<p>As to Google, well, there are some smart cookies working there, I&#8217;m sure some of them have thought fairly deeply about the whole &#8216;Don&#8217;t be evil&#8217; mantra, while others are totally focused on the engineering side of things. It seems they don&#8217;t consider disrupting the status quo, destroying existing business models, and as a result putting people out of work, to be evil. OTOH. I think they could make a reasonable argument that if they didn&#8217;t do it, someone else would. Technology giveth, and technology taketh away.  Plenty more to say on the subject but I&#8217;ll leave it for another blog post.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Democracy. It&#8217;s Complicated. by Mikec</title>
		<link>http://sethop.com/2010/06/21/democracy-its-complicated/#comment-118</link>
		<dc:creator>Mikec</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Jun 2010 23:37:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Seth - I had to search for what the ale thing was about! :)

A thought about democracy - how many people actually voted for Ecan last time it was elected?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Seth &#8211; I had to search for what the ale thing was about! <img src='http://sethop.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>A thought about democracy &#8211; how many people actually voted for Ecan last time it was elected?</p>
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		<title>Comment on Democracy. It&#8217;s Complicated. by Mary Branscombe</title>
		<link>http://sethop.com/2010/06/21/democracy-its-complicated/#comment-117</link>
		<dc:creator>Mary Branscombe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Jun 2010 11:40:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>it took *this long* forr the feed into LJ to show up, so I can&#039;t immediately say &#039;which ale and where&#039; but I will say:

- having once tried the test the tutor thing, they often suffer a sense of humour failure when they find it.

- journalists can have the quelling effect in both work and personal spheres; I sometimes think two or three times before making personal public blog posts on controversial subjects, but it&#039;s more &#039;will this make me look like an idiot&#039; than will I lose access by making this comment.

- independant sources are a great start but just because someone isn&#039;t paid to do something doesn&#039;t make them unbiased and independant sources have to be investigated and correlated. With stories from the AP and Reuters and the other feeds, the media outlets are presuming that this basic step has been done for them - this is the step so many bloggers forget about (can&#039;t stop to fact check, must publish and get the hits and ad money first and can always correct later is no basis for a system of investigation). Journalism, like every other important system, is a series of checks and balances - prone to abuses as well as triumphs, capable of creating great things and terrible things alike. When Google claimed to &#039;do no evil&#039; I think they had at best a remarkably naive view of what evil can be.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>it took *this long* forr the feed into LJ to show up, so I can&#8217;t immediately say &#8216;which ale and where&#8217; but I will say:</p>
<p>- having once tried the test the tutor thing, they often suffer a sense of humour failure when they find it.</p>
<p>- journalists can have the quelling effect in both work and personal spheres; I sometimes think two or three times before making personal public blog posts on controversial subjects, but it&#8217;s more &#8216;will this make me look like an idiot&#8217; than will I lose access by making this comment.</p>
<p>- independant sources are a great start but just because someone isn&#8217;t paid to do something doesn&#8217;t make them unbiased and independant sources have to be investigated and correlated. With stories from the AP and Reuters and the other feeds, the media outlets are presuming that this basic step has been done for them &#8211; this is the step so many bloggers forget about (can&#8217;t stop to fact check, must publish and get the hits and ad money first and can always correct later is no basis for a system of investigation). Journalism, like every other important system, is a series of checks and balances &#8211; prone to abuses as well as triumphs, capable of creating great things and terrible things alike. When Google claimed to &#8216;do no evil&#8217; I think they had at best a remarkably naive view of what evil can be.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Democracy. It&#8217;s Complicated. by sethop</title>
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		<dc:creator>sethop</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Jun 2010 04:28:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>PS: For those of you who understandably skimmed over the first paragraph or forgot it by the time you got to clause 7.1, I was referring to &quot;Protest&quot; as a potential &quot;one word question&quot; in the All Souls Fellowship exam, if they were still asking the one word questions, which sadly, they are not.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>PS: For those of you who understandably skimmed over the first paragraph or forgot it by the time you got to clause 7.1, I was referring to &#8220;Protest&#8221; as a potential &#8220;one word question&#8221; in the All Souls Fellowship exam, if they were still asking the one word questions, which sadly, they are not.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Democracy. It&#8217;s Complicated. by sethop</title>
		<link>http://sethop.com/2010/06/21/democracy-its-complicated/#comment-115</link>
		<dc:creator>sethop</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Jun 2010 04:21:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Miesje, I&#039;ll get in touch with Dillon and see where one might find his dissertation. It was written a few years ago now so I&#039;m not sure if it will cover the incident in question, but hopefully still interesting regardless. 

@Blancmange, as per clause 7.1 the post was actually meant to read like an &quot;outline of potential threads in a hypothetical answer to a demonstrative example of the question no longer being asked in a fellowship exam at a college I never plan to attend&quot; but you could also view it as an intro to several articles I might write in the future. Since you&#039;ve mentioned the Bush/Obama thread I&#039;ll follow that one up in more detail soon, it&#039;s likely to have a broader appeal that some of the other ones I might go after. Oh and if I do post an updated version of the whole outline I&#039;ll be sure to try and get some indenting in there!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Miesje, I&#8217;ll get in touch with Dillon and see where one might find his dissertation. It was written a few years ago now so I&#8217;m not sure if it will cover the incident in question, but hopefully still interesting regardless. </p>
<p>@Blancmange, as per clause 7.1 the post was actually meant to read like an &#8220;outline of potential threads in a hypothetical answer to a demonstrative example of the question no longer being asked in a fellowship exam at a college I never plan to attend&#8221; but you could also view it as an intro to several articles I might write in the future. Since you&#8217;ve mentioned the Bush/Obama thread I&#8217;ll follow that one up in more detail soon, it&#8217;s likely to have a broader appeal that some of the other ones I might go after. Oh and if I do post an updated version of the whole outline I&#8217;ll be sure to try and get some indenting in there!</p>
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