Comments on: Personal vs Shared Codes of Conduct http://sethop.com/2007/04/10/personal-vs-shared-codes-of-conduct/ Mon, 14 Nov 2011 17:32:14 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3 By: sethop http://sethop.com/2007/04/10/personal-vs-shared-codes-of-conduct/#comment-31 sethop Tue, 10 Apr 2007 01:15:33 +0000 http://sethop.com/2007/04/10/personal-vs-shared-codes-of-conduct/#comment-31 SethF: 1) Cool, me too. I've always felt that we could do better, and that a lot of effort gets wasted and a lot of vitriol ends up on the public record because people don't know how to moderate effectively, and they're too ad hoc when they do. I've certainly been guilty of that (not on this blog). 2) Good question. I think the answer is "your audience". But if you haven't said anything about how you're going to behave or moderate, they can't really call you to account. 3) But see above. 4) It does rather depend on the attack, thats for sure, and your personality type, and whether you were in the wrong or not. There's no doubt it will get you attention - what you do with it from that point is up to you. I would say that if the A-lister in question had posted a code of conduct, or linked to a shared one, and they had broken it in order to attack you, that would surely work in your favour? 5) I think you've got to admit that was a bit of a special case. Kathy is an awesome blogger, one of a kind, and she was clearly very upset - a large outcry of sympathy was inevitable. But I think a key question is would it have gone better or worse if any or all of the involved had a code of blogging ethics (shared or not) posted or linked from their blog? SethF:

1) Cool, me too. I’ve always felt that we could do better, and that a lot of effort gets wasted and a lot of vitriol ends up on the public record because people don’t know how to moderate effectively, and they’re too ad hoc when they do. I’ve certainly been guilty of that (not on this blog).
2) Good question. I think the answer is “your audience”. But if you haven’t said anything about how you’re going to behave or moderate, they can’t really call you to account.
3) But see above.
4) It does rather depend on the attack, thats for sure, and your personality type, and whether you were in the wrong or not. There’s no doubt it will get you attention – what you do with it from that point is up to you. I would say that if the A-lister in question had posted a code of conduct, or linked to a shared one, and they had broken it in order to attack you, that would surely work in your favour?
5) I think you’ve got to admit that was a bit of a special case. Kathy is an awesome blogger, one of a kind, and she was clearly very upset – a large outcry of sympathy was inevitable. But I think a key question is would it have gone better or worse if any or all of the involved had a code of blogging ethics (shared or not) posted or linked from their blog?

]]> By: DP Dan http://sethop.com/2007/04/10/personal-vs-shared-codes-of-conduct/#comment-30 DP Dan Mon, 09 Apr 2007 22:30:08 +0000 http://sethop.com/2007/04/10/personal-vs-shared-codes-of-conduct/#comment-30 Nice post. You and I briefly discussed a Disclosure Policy framework back in December. Whether personal or shared, I think the key is getting a stake in the ground for Disclosure Policies generally and a link to "Disclosure Policy" from every page of a blog (similar to "Privacy Policy" links on every page of a site collecting personal data). The value of DPs grows exponentially as audiences come to expect them of the bloggers they read. Once having a DP is expected, then we can make significant progress on standardizing their contents via microformats or shared codes. I worry that too much energy on contents before DPs are expected could be wasted energy... Therefore: Step 1: Create an expectation for every blogger to have a Disclosure Policy. This can be very viral, because the blogger who adopts a DP becomes a champion to the bloggers they read (e.g. "Where's your DP?") Step 2: Create various content options/microformats that match the diversity of bloggers/audiences. Tools/info at http://www.disclosurepolicy.org/ currently help with Step 1...and should evolve to help even further with Step 2. Nice post. You and I briefly discussed a Disclosure Policy framework back in December. Whether personal or shared, I think the key is getting a stake in the ground for Disclosure Policies generally and a link to “Disclosure Policy” from every page of a blog (similar to “Privacy Policy” links on every page of a site collecting personal data). The value of DPs grows exponentially as audiences come to expect them of the bloggers they read. Once having a DP is expected, then we can make significant progress on standardizing their contents via microformats or shared codes. I worry that too much energy on contents before DPs are expected could be wasted energy…

Therefore:
Step 1: Create an expectation for every blogger to have a Disclosure Policy. This can be very viral, because the blogger who adopts a DP becomes a champion to the bloggers they read (e.g. “Where’s your DP?”)
Step 2: Create various content options/microformats that match the diversity of bloggers/audiences.

Tools/info at http://www.disclosurepolicy.org/ currently help with Step 1…and should evolve to help even further with Step 2.

]]> By: Seth Finkelstein http://sethop.com/2007/04/10/personal-vs-shared-codes-of-conduct/#comment-29 Seth Finkelstein Mon, 09 Apr 2007 19:35:47 +0000 http://sethop.com/2007/04/10/personal-vs-shared-codes-of-conduct/#comment-29 Oh boy, where to begin ... 1) I am/was an anti-censorship activist (thanks for the compliment). But that's not what's informing my objections here. In fact, I have a lot of thoughts way beyond anti-censorship, regarding the problems of effective discussion. 2) The first of which is always WHO ENFORCES THE CODES OF CONDUCT. 3) I don't think "this is designed to reinforce the tyranny" of the A-list. I think it's basically useless against the tyranny of the A-list. That's different. 4) "Arguably being attacked by an A-lister is a great way to get noticed" - maybe if you're the type of person who is a masochist. Don't confuse this with being attacked by an outsider, which can be good for street-cred. Even then, it's no fun. 5) If you need any proof of the pile-on effect, just look at the incident which spawned this mess :-(. Oh boy, where to begin …

1) I am/was an anti-censorship activist (thanks for the compliment). But that’s not what’s informing my objections here. In fact, I have a lot of thoughts way beyond anti-censorship, regarding the problems of effective discussion.

2) The first of which is always WHO ENFORCES THE CODES OF CONDUCT.

3) I don’t think “this is designed to reinforce the tyranny” of the A-list. I think it’s basically useless against the tyranny of the A-list. That’s different.

4) “Arguably being attacked by an A-lister is a great way to get noticed” – maybe if you’re the type of person who is a masochist. Don’t confuse this with being attacked by an outsider, which can be good for street-cred. Even then, it’s no fun.

5) If you need any proof of the pile-on effect, just look at the incident which spawned this mess :-( .

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